
Arctic sea ice gone by 2015? A challenge to David Barber.
December 10, 2008I’ll repeat the basic facts:
The sea ice area in the Arctic has been monitored by satellite for almost 30 years, since 1979. The area of the ice rises and falls, as you would expect, as the year cycles through its seasons. It reaches its yearly minimum by late September or early October. On the average, this minimum has been declining for the last 30 years. After October the northern sea ice area increases until it reaches a maximum in late March or early April each year. The yearly cycle is huge. Typically, about 60% of the total sea ice area melts away as is goes from yearly maximum to the yearly minimum.
The 2007 melt season was very severe and the Arctic sea ice area anomaly reached its lowest level since satellite tracking began. But that low level was immediately followed by an unprecedented rise in sea ice area in the Arctic in the months following the 2007 summer melt season. The 2008 melt season was quite severe, but not as severe as the 2007 melt season. In order to go from the minimum ice extent of 2007 to zero ice in 2012, the Arctic sea ice extent minimum needs to drop an average of about 600,000 square kilometers per year. But the Arctic ended up with slightly more ice area (about 100,000 square kilometers more) after the 2008 melt season than after the 2007 melt season. Figure 1, below sums it up.
New predictions of meltdown
Now along comes David Barber from the University of Manitoba, who estimates that the Arctic Basin will be ice free by the summer of 2015. The Star Phoenix reports:
The ice that has covered the Arctic basin for a million years will be gone in little more than six years because of global warming, a University of Manitoba geoscientist said. And David Barber said that once the sea ice is gone, more humans will be attracted to the Arctic, bringing with them even more ill effects…He said he estimates the Arctic sea should see its first ice-free summer around 2015…Barber has said before the Arctic basin would be free of summer sea ice some time between 2013 and 2030. But their research about recent changes in the Arctic has allowed them to pinpoint the date even closer.
Barber sounds like a smart guy, and was the scientist in charge of a $40-million Arctic research project, the Circumpolar Flaw Lead System Study. He will present his preliminary findings at the International Arctic Change 2008 conference in Quebec. However, his track record for predictions is rather spotty. Earlier this year National Geographic reported:
“We’re actually projecting this year that the North Pole may be free of ice for the first time [in history],” David Barber, of the University of Manitoba, told National Geographic News aboard the C.C.G.S. Amundsen, a Canadian research icebreaker.”
Prediction for summer of 2008 didn’t work out
The Arctic sea ice concentration reached its minimum around September 15th this year. Figure 2, below, from the Polar Research Group at the University of Illinois, shows the distribution of ice in the Arctic on that day. As you can see, the North Pole was not even close to being ice free. Figure 3 shows the Arctic Basin sea ice area for the last 365 days. Note that in mid-September the the sea ice area anomaly for the Arctic Basin was about negative 0.75 million square kilometers, but there were still 2.5 million square kilometers of ice yet to melt. Again, not even close to zero.
Figure 2. Arctic Sea Ice Concentration on September 15th, 2008, when the Arctic sea ice reached its minimum for the year. Image from the University of Illinois Polar Research Group.
Figure 3. Arctic Basin sea ice area for the last 365 days. In mid-September the sea ice anomaly was negative 0.75 million square kilometers, but there were 2.5 million square kilometers more than zero. Image from the University of Illinois Polar Research Group. Click on image to see clearer version.
Figure 4. Skate (SSN-578), surfaced at the North Pole, 17 March 1959. US Navy photo courtesy of tripod.com. This image is from NavSource Online: Submarine Photo Archive
Figure 5. Seadragon (SSN-584), foreground, and her sister Skate (SSN-578) during a rendezvous at the North Pole in August 1962. Note the men on the ice beyond the submarines. USN photo from The American Submarine, by Norman Polmar. This image is from NavSource Online: Submarine Photo Archive
What about Barber’s prediction for 2015?
The December 5th StarPhoenix article mentioned above says that according to Barber, “The ice that has covered the Arctic basin for a million years will be gone in little more than six years because of global warming.” I wonder if Barber can seriously believe that the Arctic Basin has been continuously ice covered for “a million years.” There is considerable evidence that the entire Arctic region was warmer just several thousand years ago than it is now.
Open water from the northern coast of Greenland to the North Pole likely occurred in the not too distant past. According to Science Daily, Astrid Lysa and colleagues have studied shore features, driftwood samples, microfossils and shore sediments from Northern Greenland. Science Daily reports:
”The architecture of a sandy shore depends partly on whether wave activity or pack ice has influenced its formation. Beach ridges, which are generally distinct, very long, broad features running parallel to the shoreline, form when there is wave activity and occasional storms. This requires periodically open water,” Astrid Lyså explains.
Pack-ice ridges which form when drift ice is pressed onto the seashore piling up shore sediments that lie in its path, have a completely different character. They are generally shorter, narrower and more irregular in shape.
“The beach ridges which we have had dated to about 6000-7000 years ago were shaped by wave activity,” says Astrid Lyså. They are located at the mouth of Independence Fjord in North Greenland, on an open, flat plain facing directly onto the Arctic Ocean. Today, drift ice forms a continuous cover from the land here.
Astrid Lyså says that such old beach formations require that the sea all the way to the North Pole was periodically ice free for a long time.
“This stands in sharp contrast to the present-day situation where only ridges piled up by pack ice are being formed,” she says.
Funder and Kjaer reported similar results at the 2007 fall meeting of the American Geophysical Union. They point out that “Presently the North Greenland coastline is permanently beleaguered by pack ice…” but “that for a period in the Early Holocene, probably for a millennium or more, the Arctic Ocean was free of sea ice at least for short periods in the summer.” They date this time period to sometime between 8500 and 6000 years ago.
An Open Challenge to David Barber
I am concerned about climate exaggerations and the effect they have on public policy makers. It seems quite clear that David Barber was off the mark when he predicted that “this year that the North Pole may be free of ice for the first time,” because neither the Arctic Ocean, the Arctic Basin nor the North Pole were ice free this past summer. The North Pole being ice free is not that unusual, and the entire Arctic was probably ice free a relatively short 7,000 years ago.
Now Barber has made the slightly longer term prediction that “The ice that has covered the Arctic basin for a million years will be gone in little more than six years.” I propose a friendly wager based on this prediction. I will bet David Barber $1000(US) that the ice covering the Arctic Basin will not be gone anytime before December 31st, 2015. The bet would involve no transfer of cash between myself or Barber, but rather, the loser will pay the sum to a charitable organization designated by the winner.
Definition of terms. The Arctic Basin is defined by the regional map at Cryosphere Today. “Gone” means the Arctic Basin sea ice area is less that 100,000 square kilometers, according to National Center for Environmental Prediction/NOAA as presented at Cryosphere Today . Charitable organizations will be agreed upon at the time the bet is initiated.
David Barber is a smart guy and evidently an expert in his field. Taking on a wager with an amateur like me should be like shooting fish in a barrel. I look forward to reaching an agreement soon.




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Quantity over quality is a good rhetorical tactic. The funniest part of this piece was when you preempted being called out as an equivocator by dismissing “those who like to parse words”. I’ve always been a bigger fan of word parsers than equivocators myself.
Good post. I won’t even pretend to know whats up with the climate but I’d sure like it if the others that don’t will just shut up. Nice blog, I look forward to coming back.
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Good article. Keep your eyes on the ice at
http://www.ijis.iarc.uaf.edu/en/home/seaice_extent.htm
Around 2015 arctic ice will be a lot bigger.
I look forward to seeing which charity you get $1000 too.
I have sent these questions to Dr Chapman at CT.
Dr William Chapman,
Can you please explain a couple of things on the Cryosphere Today “Compare side-by-side images of Northern Hemisphere sea ice extent” product, please?
Why does the snow in the more recent dates cover areas that were previously sea inlets, fjords, coastal sea areas, islands and rivers? (Water areas, most easily discernible in the River Ob inlet)
Why does the sea ice in the older images cover land areas? (Land areas, most easily discernible in River Ob inlet)
See this overlay:
http://i44.tinypic.com/330u63t.jpg
Looking forward to your answer,
Mike Bryant
In terms of semantics, Barber is incorrect in his assertion about million year old ice in the Arctic. Even if we assume that the Arctic has been ice bound to some extent for a million years, the ice itself is not that old since it ablates from the top and bottom, there is no long term reservoir like you would find at the south pole.
I rather think that you will not see any wager from Barber. He knows how tenuous his predictions are. Rather, he would make some excuse about not wagering with amateurs or some such.
No trend in Arctic sea-ice extent can be easily seen in the short record from June 2002 to present as linked to in this blog
http://www.ijis.iarc.uaf.edu/en/home/seaice_extent.htm
But there is a definite downward trend in the 30 monthly values since January 1979 shown at
http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/
Meanwhile the variability and extent for January seems to be increasing in Antarctica.
Could the increase of Antarctic extent in January be compensating for a decrease in Arctic albedo?
Makes me wonder if this is evidence for a built-in mechanism compensating for GHG increases.
this is most moronic piece of garbage ever. I wish i hadn’t wasted precious bandwidth even reading it.
Dear ******,
It is nice to know that this blog post is still being read by you folks in Manitoba. Since I am so moronic, perhaps you would like to take up Barber’s part of the bet. It’s a sure thing for you, right?
By the way, please stay tuned. There will be some follow-up on this issue at this site within the next few weeks.
Best Regards,
Tom
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The beauty of the Barber prediction is we get to watch it fail in real time. Nevermind, that soon there will be another equally idiotic prediction and the press will move onto that.
The thing about satellite imagery is that it fails to tell the whole story. I hope you disbelievers are still following what is going on because that multi-year ice is now nearly gone. If you wish to disbelieve, you’d better get your feet wet and go to the Arctic to see what is happening before you say it is nonsense. In my experience, deniers are attempting to ease their conscience about SUVs, golf courses, dollar store sprees, houses filled with plastic and useless junk . . . . the list is endless. Your children will not thank you.
Robin,
Thank you for you emotional comment.
You say the motivation for my comments is an attempt “to ease my conscience…” I suggest you check out the “About Climate Sanity by Tom Moriarty” button on the right column of this page. Or just click here.
Best Regards,
ClimateSanity
“this year that the North Pole may be free of ice for the first time”.
The word may is a very important semantic point here. It means the author is accepting he could be wrong.